Cory Monteith - star di Glee trovato morto

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Chiara74
00domenica 14 luglio 2013 10:38
Non soon soggetta a questo genere di topic, ma questa notizia mi ha veramente colpito come un pugno nello stomaco.
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Destiny70
00domenica 14 luglio 2013 11:07
Sono sempre brutte notizie queste... Mi spiace molto.
Micheal'sNewFan
00domenica 14 luglio 2013 19:06
La sua giovane età rende tutto più tragico...
Simone Jackson
00domenica 14 luglio 2013 19:29
Ho letto la notizia stamattina. Sono shockato [SM=g27813]
MJ-inmyheart
00domenica 14 luglio 2013 20:18
che tristezza... [SM=g27813]
MJxsempre84
00domenica 14 luglio 2013 20:43
Oh! Mi dispiace tanto, anche lui morto giovane!
Lulù(94)
00mercoledì 17 luglio 2013 00:54
Tristissima questa notizia.......purtroppo la droga rimarrà sempre una grande piaga sociale e l'uomo soccomberà sempre ad essa......che amarezza!!
4everMJJ
00mercoledì 17 luglio 2013 07:48
A quanto ha detto il coroner si tratta di un mix di "eroina, tossicità da farmaci e alcool". L'eroina... pensavo fosse sparita dalla circolazione negli anni '80 [SM=g27825]

(Miss Piggy)
00mercoledì 17 luglio 2013 10:04
Re:
4everMJJ, 17/07/2013 07:48:

". L'eroina... pensavo fosse sparita dalla circolazione negli anni '80 [SM=g27825]




...e invece da un pò è tornata alla ribalta, ricordo di aver letto qualcosa in proposito, tempo fa. Ci sarebbe da dire che fa parte evidentemente parte anche lei del revival anni '80....
Che brutta storia, quella di Cory.


Chiara74
00mercoledì 17 luglio 2013 18:42
Monteith conduceva una sorta di doppia vita: a LA sul lavoro serissimo sempre sobrio e pulito (il cast di Glee ho letto avere una routine lavorativa serratissima 16 ore di lavoro tutti i giorni in cui giravano, piu’ concerti e spettacoli in giro per il mondo, dove lui appariva sempre immacolato e professionale), a Vancouver, sua citta’ natale, invece dava sfogo a quello che era il suo demone con i vecchi amici.
Dopo tutte queste morti per sostanze piu’ o meno legali non credo importi piu’ etichettare una persona come “morto di overdose di eroina” e esprime giudizi sull’evitabilita’ della cosa; credo si debba semplicemente prendere atto che ci sono persone malate e che pur volendo e lavorando duro non riescono a venire a capo della propria malattia.
Questa tragedia temo che impattera’ comunque anche Glee, non credo che riusciranno a gestire cosi’ facilmente l’ uscita di scena di Finn e il dolore della fidanzata. Dal mio punto di vista la cosa piu’ sensibile sarebbe mettere in hold lo show per almeno una stagione.
DOUBLE-D
00giovedì 18 luglio 2013 09:09
Beh alla fine era un cocainomane, come ci si aspettava che morisse? [SM=g2927018] Non era un santo!
Lulù(94)
00giovedì 18 luglio 2013 14:56
Re:
DOUBLE-D, 18/07/2013 09:09:

Beh alla fine era un cocainomane, come ci si aspettava che morisse? [SM=g2927018] Non era un santo!




Purtroppo [SM=g2927031] ...
Chiara74
00giovedì 18 luglio 2013 20:04
Re:
DOUBLE-D, 18/07/2013 09:09:

Beh alla fine era un cocainomane, come ci si aspettava che morisse? [SM=g2927018] Non era un santo!




La cazzata e’ talmente grossa che manco la droga e’ quella giusta....
DOUBLE-D
00giovedì 18 luglio 2013 20:56
Re: Re:
Chiara74, 18/07/2013 20:04:




La cazzata e’ talmente grossa che manco la droga e’ quella giusta....




Vabbè cocaina, eroina, sempre un drogato era, non capisco tutta questa apologia verso chi si droga! [SM=g27815]

In quel mondo li poi ci sono e ci sono state storie di droga da una vita, ma non capisco i rimpianti, forse perchè eri fan della serie [SM=g2927018]

Edit: si sei una fan della serie, quindi condoglianze!
Chiara74
00giovedì 18 luglio 2013 22:47
Re: Re: Re:
DOUBLE-D, 18/07/2013 20:56:




Vabbè cocaina, eroina, sempre un drogato era, non capisco tutta questa apologia verso chi si droga! [SM=g27815]

In quel mondo li poi ci sono e ci sono state storie di droga da una vita, ma non capisco i rimpianti, forse perchè eri fan della serie [SM=g2927018]

Edit: si sei una fan della serie, quindi condoglianze!




Fan di Glee non proprio, ho visto qualche puntata con piacere ma non ho seguito le varie serie, personalmente credo sia un buon prodotto.
Grandissima fan di un certo Robert Downey Jr, ex drogato e alcolizzato attualmente uno degli attori più bravi e il più pagato di Hollywood dopo essere riuscito a "guarire".
Essere addicted e' una malattia, e sono certa che tutti quelli che tu chiami drogati vorrebbero e preferirebbero vivere una vita normale, lavorare, stare con le persone che amano ecc ma non riescono a fermarsi. Recentemente il film Flight ha rappresentato molto bene questa problematica.
Purtroppo pochissimi riescono! Ed ho una stima enorme di chi ci riesce!
La droga come l'alcol di per se non uccidono, guarda un certo Mick Jagger o David Bowie.
criticofan
00sabato 20 luglio 2013 00:59
Re:
DOUBLE-D, 18/07/2013 09:09:

Beh alla fine era un cocainomane, come ci si aspettava che morisse? [SM=g2927018] Non era un santo!



Cazzo Double, questa però è una stronzata davvero grossa!!!!
Anche per me che non sono certo un 'buonista' che si spreca in 'poverino' e 'com'era giovane'....
[SM=g2927026] [SM=g27831] [SM=g27825]
Strafarsi di alcool, coca o eroina e strafarsi di farmaci a base di morfina non è mica tanto diverso...
Ti rendi conto di come è morto il grande artista di cui ogni giorno visiti il forum...?
[SM=g27818]



DOUBLE-D
00sabato 20 luglio 2013 10:46
Re: Re:
criticofan, 20/07/2013 00:59:



Cazzo Double, questa però è una stronzata davvero grossa!!!!
Anche per me che non sono certo un 'buonista' che si spreca in 'poverino' e 'com'era giovane'....
[SM=g2927026] [SM=g27831] [SM=g27825]
Strafarsi di alcool, coca o eroina e strafarsi di farmaci a base di morfina non è mica tanto diverso...
Ti rendi conto di come è morto il grande artista di cui ogni giorno visiti il forum...?
[SM=g27818]






Lo so, ma sono un salutista, le droghe proprio non le posso vedere.

Avrei da ridire pure su MJ, ma qui mi fanno fuori subito! [SM=x47979]
Chiara74
00sabato 20 luglio 2013 11:48
Anche io in passato ero molto più Talebana, ma poi proprio a seguito dell'addiction di una certa persona a cui il forum e' dedicato, ho iniziato a informarmi e a capire che c'è uso, abuso e chi è invece addicted.
Double leggiti questo breve testo.

Addiction Is a Mystique and a Mystery

Human beings become addicted because we are complex. Addictions are like a jigsaw puzzle where all the pieces are on the table but no one quite knows what the whole picture should be. Here are the main pieces:

1. The addictive substance or behavior
2. Brain chemistry
3. Social pressure for and against addiction
4. A vulnerable psyche
5. The X factor

It’s important to understand all five elements, because leaving anyone out leads to false hope and tragically, temporary cures (or no cure at all). If you have a family member who’s an addict, don’t form an opinion until you have looked at every piece of the puzzle. You don’t want to fall into the trap of blame and shame, which is always waiting when addiction starts creating intense stress in a relationship.

The addictive substance or behavior: This piece of the puzzle has always grabbed the headlines. A hundred years ago it was “demon” rum and whiskey. In the fifties, the demon became heroin, now it’s crack. In reality, no substance is a demon. The ability of a drug to induce pleasure isn’t an evil. There must be another element, or a number of them, to turn any substance addictive. Millions of people try cocaine, heroin, LSD and marijuana and then walk away. The ones who can’t walk away are different, and it’s that difference we must isolate and heal. The same goes for addictive behavior such as overeating or craving power or the need to control.

Brain chemistry. Drugs change the brain by affecting receptors in your brain cells that exist for pleasure and the cessation of pain. If you take any substance long enough, the brain adapts by altering its receptors, and then the trouble begins. The burned-out addict is actually a burned-out brain. When pleasure receptors are overloaded, then they no longer transmit signals of pleasure. Instead, the addict finds himself fending off pain. This becomes the chief reason for getting high, and it marks a far more desperate phase of addiction. When your whole purpose in life is not to feel agony, existence becomes hollow and meaningless.

Social pressure. Although we all have an image in our minds of the secretive addict shooting up or drinking alone, society always plays a part. Cocktail parties are social events that permit people to escape social rules. They are temporary vacations from inhibition. They are also group bonding sessions, as is passing a joint. Social pressure is complicated. It can work to encourage belonging, but it can also throw you out of the group and make you an outcast. Addicts experience both sides. Before they are labeled addicts and shunned by society, they went through an early phase of trying to belong. The net result is a deep confusion about where they stand with family and friends.

Vulnerable psyche. Addicts aren’t weaker than other people, nor are they morally deficient, irrational, stupid or undisciplined. All those labels are used by outsiders who want to judge against the addict. If you discard moral self-righteousness, the reality is that addiction preys upon some kind of psychological wound. It seems to cure the wound at first. The first high is often described by addicts as a kind of miracle cure or religious euphoria. Their reaction is extreme because at a deeper level they are seekers of healing. A hidden trauma or unconscious need has been searching for a cure. It quickly becomes obvious, however, that addiction mimics a cure – it is actually only a distraction or an empty escape. What the addict really wants – a sense of meaning, a grip on reality, a self that doesn’t feel impaired – still hasn’t been found.

The X factor. Having figured out the first four pieces of the puzzle, a great deal of good can be done. Addicts can be brought to healing and self-knowledge. They can be weaned off substances and their brains (slowly) returned to a more balanced chemical state. Yet there remains the X factor. Call it a predisposition, karma, the unconscious or a perverse urge to self-destruction. For some addicts, the journey of addiction is existential. They want to experience a kind of “left hand path,” to pick up a term from Indian spirituality. Wrestling with the devil tempts them into a private melodrama of the soul. The lure of temptation is seductive to everyone, not just addicts. Ultimately we want to come through to the other side. The point isn’t self-destruction (except in some rare cases), but finding safety and a better reason to be alive.

Added up together, these five pieces give us understanding about what creates addicts. They also explain why we are such an addicted society. As the result of more leisure, money and the absence of old moral strictures, along with a craving for distraction, modern America is an addict’s paradise. The term is used ironically – in which we are all free to define our own existence. In other words, we are free to explore human complexity. This isn’t to make light of addicts. They can cause enormous harm to themselves and others (always remembering that the greatest harm by far isn’t caused by exotic or illegal substances but by alcohol).

It turns out that there will never be one picture of addiction, even when all the pieces are on the table. Each addict is unique. The pieces fit together differently from one person to another, and in the end, the X factor counts for a lot. As long as addiction enjoys a mystique that is at once forbidden, criminal, tempting and scary, no one will discover a rational solution. Too much of our irrational side comes into play. Hard as it may be, coming to terms with any addiction means coming to terms with the complexity of a life journey, with all of its dark passages and hidden motivations.
DOUBLE-D
00sabato 20 luglio 2013 14:36
Thanks! [SM=g27811]
chiara64
00sabato 20 luglio 2013 16:02
....Azzo! che tristezza ste notizie. [SM=g27829]
criticofan
00sabato 20 luglio 2013 17:12
Re:
Chiara74, 20/07/2013 11:48:

Anche io in passato ero molto più Talebana, ma poi proprio a seguito dell'addiction di una certa persona a cui il forum e' dedicato, ho iniziato a informarmi e a capire che c'è uso, abuso e chi è invece addicted.
Double leggiti questo breve testo.

Addiction Is a Mystique and a Mystery

Human beings become addicted because we are complex. Addictions are like a jigsaw puzzle where all the pieces are on the table but no one quite knows what the whole picture should be. Here are the main pieces:

1. The addictive substance or behavior
2. Brain chemistry
3. Social pressure for and against addiction
4. A vulnerable psyche
5. The X factor

It’s important to understand all five elements, because leaving anyone out leads to false hope and tragically, temporary cures (or no cure at all). If you have a family member who’s an addict, don’t form an opinion until you have looked at every piece of the puzzle. You don’t want to fall into the trap of blame and shame, which is always waiting when addiction starts creating intense stress in a relationship.

The addictive substance or behavior: This piece of the puzzle has always grabbed the headlines. A hundred years ago it was “demon” rum and whiskey. In the fifties, the demon became heroin, now it’s crack. In reality, no substance is a demon. The ability of a drug to induce pleasure isn’t an evil. There must be another element, or a number of them, to turn any substance addictive. Millions of people try cocaine, heroin, LSD and marijuana and then walk away. The ones who can’t walk away are different, and it’s that difference we must isolate and heal. The same goes for addictive behavior such as overeating or craving power or the need to control.

Brain chemistry. Drugs change the brain by affecting receptors in your brain cells that exist for pleasure and the cessation of pain. If you take any substance long enough, the brain adapts by altering its receptors, and then the trouble begins. The burned-out addict is actually a burned-out brain. When pleasure receptors are overloaded, then they no longer transmit signals of pleasure. Instead, the addict finds himself fending off pain. This becomes the chief reason for getting high, and it marks a far more desperate phase of addiction. When your whole purpose in life is not to feel agony, existence becomes hollow and meaningless.

Social pressure. Although we all have an image in our minds of the secretive addict shooting up or drinking alone, society always plays a part. Cocktail parties are social events that permit people to escape social rules. They are temporary vacations from inhibition. They are also group bonding sessions, as is passing a joint. Social pressure is complicated. It can work to encourage belonging, but it can also throw you out of the group and make you an outcast. Addicts experience both sides. Before they are labeled addicts and shunned by society, they went through an early phase of trying to belong. The net result is a deep confusion about where they stand with family and friends.

Vulnerable psyche. Addicts aren’t weaker than other people, nor are they morally deficient, irrational, stupid or undisciplined. All those labels are used by outsiders who want to judge against the addict. If you discard moral self-righteousness, the reality is that addiction preys upon some kind of psychological wound. It seems to cure the wound at first. The first high is often described by addicts as a kind of miracle cure or religious euphoria. Their reaction is extreme because at a deeper level they are seekers of healing. A hidden trauma or unconscious need has been searching for a cure. It quickly becomes obvious, however, that addiction mimics a cure – it is actually only a distraction or an empty escape. What the addict really wants – a sense of meaning, a grip on reality, a self that doesn’t feel impaired – still hasn’t been found.

The X factor. Having figured out the first four pieces of the puzzle, a great deal of good can be done. Addicts can be brought to healing and self-knowledge. They can be weaned off substances and their brains (slowly) returned to a more balanced chemical state. Yet there remains the X factor. Call it a predisposition, karma, the unconscious or a perverse urge to self-destruction. For some addicts, the journey of addiction is existential. They want to experience a kind of “left hand path,” to pick up a term from Indian spirituality. Wrestling with the devil tempts them into a private melodrama of the soul. The lure of temptation is seductive to everyone, not just addicts. Ultimately we want to come through to the other side. The point isn’t self-destruction (except in some rare cases), but finding safety and a better reason to be alive.

Added up together, these five pieces give us understanding about what creates addicts. They also explain why we are such an addicted society. As the result of more leisure, money and the absence of old moral strictures, along with a craving for distraction, modern America is an addict’s paradise. The term is used ironically – in which we are all free to define our own existence. In other words, we are free to explore human complexity. This isn’t to make light of addicts. They can cause enormous harm to themselves and others (always remembering that the greatest harm by far isn’t caused by exotic or illegal substances but by alcohol).

It turns out that there will never be one picture of addiction, even when all the pieces are on the table. Each addict is unique. The pieces fit together differently from one person to another, and in the end, the X factor counts for a lot. As long as addiction enjoys a mystique that is at once forbidden, criminal, tempting and scary, no one will discover a rational solution. Too much of our irrational side comes into play. Hard as it may be, coming to terms with any addiction means coming to terms with the complexity of a life journey, with all of its dark passages and hidden motivations.



Ciao Chiara.
Articolo molto interessante.
Chi è l'autore?
In che occasione è stato scritto/pubblicato?



Chiara74
00sabato 20 luglio 2013 18:00


Ciao Max,

l'ho tratto da un approfondimento curato da Gwyneth Paltrow sul suo blog goop. Gwyneth ha recitato in diverse puntate di Glee e devo ammettere che l'ho iniziato a guardare per curiosira' di vederla cantare e ballare (brava pure a fare quello...)

goop

Ho trovato molto interessante e illuminante anche il documentario fatto da Russell Brand



Trasmesso qui in UK qualche mese fa.

E' difficile simpatizzare con queste persone, e credo impossibile viverci a fianco [SM=g27813]
seppure non sono fan di Russell (Double ti prevengo [SM=g27834] ) lo ammiro molto per questo suo impegno nel mondo dell'addictions e per ammettere cosi' coraggiosamente davanti alle telecamere quanto dopo 10 anni ancora brama la droga. Ti fa visualizzare che e' una malattia che puoi tenere sotto controllo, ma rimane sempre li con te e la devi sconfiggere ogni giorno.

Bello anche questa intervista di Russell per il Guardian

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